It is obvious that a bullet designed for pistol use isn’t in the class with a bullet designed for use in the .458 Winchester rifle or even the old lead 500-grain cavalry load. Ultimately, no one seemed to give a damn: Both cartridges died on the vine. After all, a pointed bullet could not be used. I quickly learned that it truly did have a surprise in store for me. The Winchester lever-action rifles were long out of production and the Marlin .45-70 rifles only a memory. I have consistently used the stock Hornady 265 gr. Marlin 444P Outfitter Description: **** SOLD **** Marlin 444P Outfitter - Chambered in 444 Marlin with ported 18 1/2" barrel and nice wood. Hits hard but won’t travel to far, and great for the bush. I use a 44 mag now but would like a bit longer range and flatter bullet. i have owned Marlins and one Winny Black Shadow in 444 Marlin. Also comes with 27 rounds of ammo, and a box of brass. Zeroed at 100 yards, the bullet drops 8 inches at 200 yards and 6 feet at 400. If you range a deer at 375—but it’s actually 350 (because you ranged the rock behind the deer)—when you input the elevation correction for 375 yards, your bullet will actually strike about a foot higher than your point of aim. In my opinion, inside of 100 yards, the .444 hits much harder than any .30-caliber rifle. 0.00 CAD. This PDF download offers extensive Marlin Firearms Co. gun prices, grading, identification and firearm values information. Speaking of traditional lever guns, I must quote Ashley Emerson, one of the founders of XS Sights. The only negative was the pure stomping that recoil would dish out. Although most people will likely put it up as a collector, if you’re going to get serious about shooting with it at distance, I’d suggest you order the modified version of the Skinner sight and possibly a replacement front sight—one that has a slightly smaller bead so you can see the target you’re shooting at—for when you’re shooting a long way out there. I simply wish to sight in the rifle and have a load I am able to count on for taking down game. I attached it, zeroed it and, from a bench rest at 100 yards, fired a three-shot group that measured 1.27 inches, center to center. There is a second reticle line for long-range use, and the turrets are marked for 300 and 400-yard adjustments, which is optimistic for this cartridge. The rifle was found with a Game Stalker scope already fitted and incidentally properly zeroed for 100 yards. When the .444 Marlin was introduced I saw that it was a good round right away, but I asked myself “What can ot do that the .45-70 can’t do? This is a one and done gun. Here’s a look at two classic straight-wall cartridges for deer hunting. They did have a 1894P chambered in 44 Mag and they offered to order me a 444 or a 444P. Would love to see more on the Iconic American Lever Action. This is partly because it’s past the limits of my vision; partly because I didn’t have a steel plate any larger than 16 inches; but mostly because I could barely hit the damned thing at 300 yards. In addition, I think that given good lighting conditions, I could make a solid hit on a deer or similarly sized critter out to about 200 yards. 21 I considered that respectable for open sights at 200 yards, but I was a bit disappointed in the settings/configuration of the tangent sight. Additionally, in a 10 mph, 90-degree crosswind, the bullet will drift about 2 inches at 100 yards, 10 at 200 yards, 2 feet at 300 and 4 feet at 400. But to say its a 200 yard rifle I think is not an accurate statement. It’s possible that from your shooting position there’s no wind, but that on the 300-yard journey to the target, the bullet could encounter a steady wind or gust. As such, the rifle may just be as suitable for most North American game as the .45-70. For thin-skinned game and broadside shots, the 270-grain load is faster with more energy than common factory loads but offers no real advantage against bear or larger thin-skinned game. Both offered very improved ballistics over traditional lever-gun cartridges. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. At 10 mph, a 90-degree crosswind will push the referenced .444 Marlin bullet more than 2 feet at 300 yards. A 335-grain hard-cast, flat-nose bullet is launched at well over 2,000 fps. The Mission of Cheaper Than Dirt! This load breaks over 2,200 fps and gave excellent accuracy. Shooting from a seated position with sticks for support, very much as you might do while hunting, my first three-shot group at 100 yards measured under 2 inches. This load slipped three bullets into 1.5 inches at 100 yards. This allowed me to see the target, but the distance was pushing the limits of my prescription shooting glasses. The results on target are consummate with the power exhibited. Comes topped with a nice little Simmons scope, packs a serious punch and 444's are getting harder to find, not to mention this is a pre Remington rifle with a JM marked barrel.. Quality !! Mar 21, 2020 - Marlin, Winchester, Ithica, Ruger, Henry. Perhaps load density or Hornady quality was at an all-time high, but I was impressed. This item qualifies for FREE SHIPPING - no sales where prohibited by law. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. For heavy use, move to the 300-grain JFN or jacketed flat-nose. Let’s say you’re capable of hitting targets out to 400 yards with a scoped, traditionally styled lever gun because you know your data (or “DOPE,” as the long-range gurus like to call it). I’m thinking it may be a perfect time to bring along that .444 in a med to heavy load and put it back to work. Actually far less the 45.70 has way more options and has= to more energy and uses a real 45 cal bullet having shot and owned and hand loaded for both stick with the 45.70 save ya money on this it is just a novelty rifle to me and not as effective as the 45.70 .JMHO. I wanted this rifle because of its beautiful styling and appearance. Greetings all from Australia, love my old 444, great for a lefty like me. The 300-grain JFN bullet offers plenty of penetration. For most of the past century, the lever gun was considered a short-range weapon. Thanks for reading! The rifle is also effective for black bear, but bullet technology limited the rifle’s use on larger game. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. This limited-edition Marlin is fitted with a tangent sight from Skinner Sights. I have and carry a 45-70 Guide Gun when out an about, in the boat when fishing, in camp and so forth.its always been more defensive rifle than anything else. Testing this load off the benchrest wasn’t quite as brutal, but I was glad to have my PAST shoulder rest in place. However, the bottom line is that few of us are going after buffalo or elephant with the .444. Home » Firearms » Review: Marlin’s Big Lever Action and the .444 Cartridge. My first hunt I dropped two deer in one morning. 0.00 CAD. Six major concealed carry insurance programs are now available to the millions of Americans who carry concealed. There were some adjustments for microgroove barreling such as casting and sizing the bullets to a larger diameter, but in the end, the .444 proved a wonderful performer with these heavy bullets. Marlin’s New 1895 SBL .45-70 Lever Action Rifle. 1. Now I have to find one of these fine rifles…. But to say its a 200 yard rifle I think is not an accurate statement. While the horsepower is there, this load offered lighter subjective recoil than the 270-grain load. Excellent accuracy and penetration were achieved. (Sure, I could have clicked-in the correction, but I was trying to avoid that. Based on that flaw, we’d have to say Don’t Buy it. Tubular magazines limited the choice of bullets. It will liquify everything in the vitals. It was designed for a pistol but shot great out the old girl. Today, the rules have changed because we have a crop of modern bullets that will serve much better than anything in the past. That wasn’t always the case. During the 1990s I had multiple meetings with Marlin representatives in an effort to help them improve the overall product line. Status. Shooters began experimenting with hard-cast bullets of 280 to 320 grains. For starters, what kind of fool wants to put a long-range rifle scope on a rifle such as this exquisite Marlin? I placed the front bead in the center of this “U” and tried again. Editor's Note: This article originally appeared in the August 2020 issue of Gun Digest the Magazine. I have never owned a 444 but love my 45/70 guide gun and the old 35rems best deer and hog guns ever. Marlin Carrier Assembly Marlin 444, 444P, 338MX, 338MXLR, 1895 450 Marlin, 45-70 Government Product Family #: 1004986047; Product #: 414791; Manufacturer #: F407016 ; UPC #: 197706414791; Loading image... Our price $75.99 0 at this price. With the horned Leverevolution boolits, you can reach out to 300 easily, for deer and elk or Mule deer with a good scope and some practice and the right load. Everyone of my shooting buddies was i,pressed with the gun and awed by the cartridge. The final problem is wind. If it achieves that, zeroed at 100 yards, the bullet will drop about 8 inches at 200 yards, 30 inches at 300 and 6 feet at 400. Today, we have better bullets. The third takeaway is that while Ashley Emerson might believe you’re doomed to perpetual brimstone if you put a riflescope on a lever gun, there’s no question that it’ll help you shoot with better precision. I’ve only had to fire more than one sho to 3 times. GO; Filter by: Sort by: View: Grid View List View; Per Page: Page: 1 2 3 previous next; TOP MOUNT BASES - #11-#62. I use a Barns 45-70 Goverment loads they produce. That’s not too shabby, considering the sights on this rifle are a bit coarse and that the eyes looking across them had to be behind corrective lenses to even see them. Agreeing this was a good idea, he altered one and sent it to me. = Hope they will be in Canada soon. While the standard 444 was marketed in a 24-inch barrel, and a more handy "Sporter" model was made with a 22 ( now standard ) , the Outfitter … Thats not bad. The 444 is a fine cartridge. He said Marlin didn’t provide him with a rifle to build the sight to, so the company had to guess. I have never recorded such a low SD with even the most expensive bolt guns and my own carefully individually weighed handloads. Would you consider making a suggestion as to a Kodiak or Coastal Brown Bear load for it? This helpful information is an excerpt from the Standard Catalog of Firearms, a renowned reference featuring new and used gun prices. Dad still has his but at 92 it’s not his go-to rifle any longer. It belonged to a second cousin's dad (branch kin.) But it always remained my favorite caliber of choice when I went out in the brush. The .444 Marlin favors bullets from 240 to 300 grains, and many rifles are effectively limited by their 1:38 twist rate—advantage .45-70—but the popularity of the .44 Mag. The Marlin is a very accurate rifle, and the .444 Marlin is more accurate than the best pistol-caliber carbines. I have no idea if this is indeed true but it does make for a good story. Marlin provided Shooting Times with a review sample .45-70 stainless Model 1895GS late last summer and also gave me the opportunity to try it out in the field on an October whitetail hunt on Quebec's famed Anticosti Island. It is .444 Marlin caliber (big bore), has a ported barrel, and a beautiful checkered walnut stock, and I have the box and all of the goodies that came with it new. Marlin's .444 Outfitter. Watching . I did not test it to the elephant level, but suffice to say, this load will rattle out your fillings and penetrate more meat and bone than anything I need to kill. Next comes the Hornady 265-grain Interlock and Hornady 300-grain XTP bullets. The Uncles .444 has been sitting in the Wall rack now for several years. Pass. Fast forward to the 80’s, I had the opportunity to purchase one from a co-worker who was just about giving it away. Type: Online-Only Auction: Price Realized: 825.00 CAD Date Sold: 4/6/2020: Click to add notes. Notes saved. When performing some of the early benchrest testing with the Marlin rifle, I was expecting pedestrian accuracy and performance. This one offers the stoutest recoil of any .444 Marlin load tested. That is correct, three SD. As you might surmise, this greatly complicates the process of aiming. The pointed nose would rest against the primer of the cartridge ahead of it in the magazine — with predictable results. and the resulting cache of new .429 bullets were a boon for .444 fans. Have you ever fired the .444 Marlin? I love it. Please try again. The neat tangent sight from Skinner looks really cool and works, especially the modified version. Still, I won’t be putting a scope on this rifle. The first load tested uses a 270-grain flat-nose bullet. For more information on the 150th Anniversery Marlin Model 336, please visit marlinfirearms.com. At 200 yards, things got a bit complicated, because when I flipped up the tangent sight and slid the sight blade to the very bottom, I found that the bullets were passing about 2 feet over the 200-yard target. Bullet went right thru its front shoulder and out its ribs. But, being able to dial in a ballistic solution isn’t the only consideration. This is ballistic fact—at least giving or taking an inch or so, depending on the ballistic calculator you use to do your guessing. Thanks for the great article on it. Please click the reload button and complete the captcha once again. In my case, the triple 4 is flatter, more accurate, and less recoil without giving up that much energy. I was looking for a big-bore lever gun and came across the .444 at an attractive price. No box or manual. With a flat-nose bullet, ballistic coefficient doesn’t mean much. Again, with the .308 Winchester, you’ll have to be shooting at about 500 yards to experience the same drift. Indeed, with proper loading, practice, and efficient use of .458-inch bullets, the .45-70 is a terrific game cartridge. Required fields are marked *, Time limit exceeded. They maximize the caliber, offer good accuracy, and burn clean. This beautiful and rare Marlin 444-P Outfitter is like new with the original box. WEAVER (In Stock) - 4.1 (8) MARLIN 1895/336/444 BEAR-PROOF EJECTOR. The Marlin Model 444 Express Long Rifle is a lever-action hunting rifle chambered in .444 Marlin. For a generation, the Marlin proved to be a deer killer par excellence. }. The gun was scoped and if you hugged the eye piece too closely you would get a half moon bloody slit right between the eyes. In 1964 Marlin, in cooperation with Remington, introduced a big bore cartridge for lever action rifles. I have heard stories of troops in Vietnam ording the Marlin .444 out of the sear catalog to deal with VC and NVA bunkers as he round would penetrate through the vegetation as well as the banyan and palm trees the enemy was using for bunkers. I got my !st .444 ‘cuz of all the crowin’ about the .45/70 but have owned and loaded both for use on game up to Bison. Three shots at 100 yards settled into just over an inch. × However, while you might sometimes get some hits at stupid-long distances, it doesn’t present an ethical answer for hunting past 300 yards. We want you, our readers, to be able to make informed decisions. It just raised the level of my 444. So I went to a local funshop and they had several Marlins but no 444's. Lot # : 17 - Marlin 444P .444 Cal. It was never meant to have one. Marlin .45-70 1895GBL: Lever-Action Powerhouse—Full Review. Won. I am glad I did, as the rifle is not only an excellent performer but also a fertile field for research. Your Bid. Not too much for deer, about right for hogs, and possibly one of the better choices for larger game at modest range. Marlin saw a market for a big-bore rifle that used a hard-hitting cartridge, which was instantly recognizable as a woods rifle. I then had so custom work done to my 444s…and went to all hand loads. No knock on the 45-70. I shoot mostly in my back yard for fun and like seeing what a bullet will go through. Accuracy at 100 yds is impressive with the right loads, at right around an inch or so. Hand-cast bullets allows the shooter to optimize the alloy for strength and expansion at the higher velocities generated by the Marlin over the traditional .44 caliber bullets. Outbid. It has an advertised muzzle velocity of 2,400 fps. Just the same, the .44 Magnum proved to be capable of dropping game that common sense would tell us was out of pistol-performance range. With nothing more than a 150th Annivesery Marlin Model 336 and steady nerves, you can make hits a country mile with the behemoth .444 Marlin. The .444 Marlin can push a 240-grain (16 g) bullet at velocities over 2,400 ft/s (730 m/s) generating 3,070 ft⋅lbf (4,160 J) of energy. Flatnose bullets were the rule until the advent of the Hornady LeveRevolution bullets. I’m not sure I could hit a deer at 200 yards in a natural setting every time, because they’re much harder to see than a white steel plate. Mint condition except for a couple tiny marks in the matte bluing near the hammer. It seems I have been doing it an injustice by this action which you have brought to my attention! All in all a great round! R&D Director Thomas Robinson worked with Metallurgist Arthur Burns to produce a real winner. Marlin 444P .444 Marlin, $550. I don’t factory ammo for a number of years, but started having trouble with the ammo available at that time. Then again, a well-placed shot and good penetration go a long way toward a clean kill. At 300 yards, I was already dealing with about 30 inches of drop, and a 16-inch steel plate looks pretty damned small at that distance. Funny how media describes certain fire arms. After establishing a holdover point, at 200 yards, I rang the 16-inch steel 10 out of 10 times, and the best string of three shots grouped into a nice, little, 3-inch cluster. Bid Live No Minimum Incoming Bid Your Max. At 300 yards, it took several shots to figure out my reference point on the reticle. This is the load for grizzly or anything else that may be addressed with the .444 Marlin. Bob! twist, and Ballard rifling. A 10 mph, 90-degree crosswind, the bullet will drift about 2 inches at 100 yards and 4 feet at 400. In 1964 there were no surviving big-bore, lever-action rifle cartridges. One of the items discussed was to increase the .444’s twist rate from a 1:38 rifling twist to 1:20, which was first observed on the Model 444P Outfitter in 1999. i currently have two Marlin 444p’s and am still playing around working up loads for them. Marlin Model 1895-.444 Marlin If you're looking for a handy, powerful rifle capable of taking down elk, moose, hogs, black bear and deer, in a unique cartridge, the Model 1895–.444 Marlin just might be … This is a much more versatile caliber than I could ever imagine. He ended up on his back, feet and gun pointin straight up. There is more element to the equation than simple horsepower. Posted on July 21, 2015 by laststandonzombieisland Leave a comment. The Shooter's Log, is to provide information—not opinions—to our customers and the shooting community. The result of its market research and testing was the .444 Marlin cartridge. He serves as contributing editor for several magazines, including NRA’s American Rifleman and Shooting Illustrated, Varmint Hunter, and Combat Handgunner, and is the editor for Gun Digest’s Cartridges of the World 13th Edition. Sealed. 444 Marlin Firearms For Sale Caliber/Gauge: 444 Marlin Select A Product Type Handguns (1) -Revolvers -Derringer -Pistols -Unknown Handgun Long Guns (14) -Modern Sporting Rifles -Rifles -Shotguns -Unknown Long Gun -Lower Receivers Then Hornady came out with the 240gr xtp….what a game changer for me. SAAMI has rated this cartridge at 44,000 CUP. The .444 hasn’t replaced the .30-30, but it has enjoyed some popularity with the lever-action crowd. In closing, the .444 Marlin is one whale of an effective cartridge. There are many advantages to the .444. This applies to much-flatter-shooting cartridges too, but at much greater distances. Just to be clear, was the testing in this article done with an older Model 444 with the 1:38″ Microgroove rifling or a newer gun with the 1:20″ twist rate. Get the 74th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. They shoot flatter and faster than a 45-70 and the result in ftp is about 100 pounds less when all things are equal. Ashley was fond of saying, “A man will go to hell if he puts a scope on a lever gun.”. Another friend ended up with that same distinguishin haft moon cut not once but twice. Shopping with us is absolutely safe - you never have to worry about credit card safety when shopping here... Share your latest AR build or photos from the range with #RangeDayFriday for a chance to win a new firearm!
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